This is what the tortured, twisted logic of patriarchy looks like

The police as God intended, according to Piper—with one exception...
The police as God intended, according to Piper—with one exception

The other day, John Piper fielded a question about whether women should be police officers. His response highlights the tortured logic necessary to make patriarchy “work” in the real world.

Worth noting: the woman asking is a complementarian. She believes, like Piper, that men lead and women follow. Yet she feels drawn to police work and therefore conflicted—presumably because her job would require her to exercise authority over men on a regular basis. She even promised to quit if she gets married someday and her husband objects to her line of work.

Most complementarians don’t go so far as to prohibit women from working—though they often discourage married women from doing so, and some do indeed go farther. (I once had a pastor who said in a sermon he didn’t think women should ever work outside the home, even if they were single. We left that church shortly after.)

Piper himself accepts there are “thousands of possible roles” women can fill in society. But this creates a problem for patriarchy: what about the many roles which might require a woman to exercise authority over a man?

It’s not just police officers.

What about being a college professor? Or a guidance counselor? Or an author? Or a city planner? Or an HR specialist?

What about being a scientist who presents her research at a professional conference and therefore “teaches” men? What about being a financial advisor telling men how to invest their money?

This is where patriarchy ties itself in knots because, on the one hand, it wants us to believe the allegedly subordinate status of women is universally applicable and not limited to a certain sphere, like the church or home. As Piper says in his response to the aspiring cop:

At the heart of mature manhood is a sense of benevolent responsibility to lead, provide for, and protect women in ways appropriate to a man’s differing relationships. The postman won’t relate to the lady at the door the way a husband will, but he will be a man.

Leading—exercising authority over women—is “at the heart” of what it means to be a man, according to Piper. Yet even he must sense the extreme nature of this, because he immediately tries to qualify it so he can allow women to serve in at least some roles outside the home.

Piper concedes the folly of making a list of “acceptable” roles for women—not that others haven’t tried. Instead, he resorts to some breathtaking mental gymnastics in order to explain how a woman can exercise authority without really exercising authority:

If a woman’s job involves a good deal of directives toward men, they will need to be non-personal in general, or men and women won’t flourish in the long run in that relationship without compromising profound biblical and psychological issues. And conversely, if a woman’s relationship to a man is very personal, then the way she offers guidance and influence will need to be more non-directive.

According to Piper, a woman can exercise authority so long as it’s “non-directive” or “non-personal.”

He sees no problem with a woman designing traffic patterns, “deciding which streets are one-way, and therefore… controlling, in one sense, all the male drivers all day long,” because this kind of influence isn’t personal.

But if that same woman were to be a police officer standing on a street corner making sure those traffic patterns are followed? Then she would be violating Piper’s notion of manhood.

Now it’s personal, according to Piper. Now she’s offending a man’s “God-given sense of responsibility and leadership.” Now she’s controverting “God’s created order.”

How does that even make sense? How is that not an artificial distinction designed solely to maintain an unworkable system?

It’s funny, because complementarians like to accuse egalitarians of doing mental gymnastics in order to explain 1 Timothy 2:12—“I do not permit a woman to teach or assume authority over a man.” (There happen to be very good and, I think, convincing ways to interpret this passage from an egalitarian perspective. See here and here, for example.)

But what about the mental gymnastics necessary to maintain patriarchy, albeit in a slightly less terrible form?

Paul doesn’t say, “I do not permit a woman to assume authority over a man unless it’s non-direct or non-personal.” Piper has introduced an unfounded caveat to a text he claims to interpret more straightforwardly than the rest of us.

Piper says this is about being “submissive to the Bible,” but he can’t even follow his own rubric for interpreting it. (He also wants us to believe his is the counter-cultural view, something I addressed in a recent guest post on Jory Micah’s blog.)

Speaking of the Bible, if it’s wrong for a woman to exercise authority over a man, how do you explain the prophet Deborah instructing Barak—who was afraid to go into battle without her?

How do you explain Huldah instructing the high priest of Israel?

How do you explain women being the first to proclaim Jesus’ resurrection? (“He is has risen” is the foundation of all Christian teaching, after all.)


How do you explain Priscilla instructing Apollos in the way of God?

Deborah and Huldah were nothing if not directive. Mary Magdalene and Priscilla were nothing if not personal.

Authority is authority, whether it’s directive or not, whether it’s personal or not. And when it comes to the biblical narrative, steeped though it is in a patriarchal world, we see women exercising bold, prophetic authority—in accord with God’s created order, not against it.

Photo by Dave Conner on Flickr / CC BY 2.0

16 thoughts on “This is what the tortured, twisted logic of patriarchy looks like

  1. Awesome Ben! I beleive that Piper has become prideful and believes he is not the authority on what God’s daughters are allowed to do. Pride comes before the fall and his comps are already starting to question him. So I guess we will see!

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    1. There’s always a problem when a finite person feels they are the source of infinite knowledge of God’s thoughts and purposes. As we grow older, we’re supposed to grow out of that.


  2. I bet women relating to men as people rather than strictly as male people wouldn’t “violate” their manhood one bit, at least not the men who think Piper is out to lunch.

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  3. I think Piper gets trapped in a maze of his own making. He is sincere in his answer. The solution of course is to deny his ability to create the maze for yourself and help others escape, but they must want to escape.


  4. Without touching on the gender question, I have to say I find it a bit rich that you accuse others of mental gymnastics while in other posts you vociferously defend Rob Bell, an absolute king among mental gymnasts.


  5. It’s hard to credit the arrogance of someone who feels that their opinion is the ‘go to’ for the rest of us. If the warning ‘let not many of you be teachers, because you’d be better of drowned than leading people astray by the influence you have over them’ is correct, I shudder for Piper’s blatant ignorance.


  6. thank you so much for this post! the fact that you are a man gives it a credibility that would not be as available to a woman – I hate that fact but I believe it’s true. I’m not yet familiar with your journey out of Calvinism but the fact that you journeyed in means you understand how that theology works from the inside and can respond more meaningfully- in a way that would be understood


  7. Masculinity is incredibly fragile. This isn’t the first time that Piper has taught in a way that makes it obvious this is what he thinks. It’s ok if women have authority over men, but it’s not ok if the men know a woman has authority over them. It’s all about protecting patriarchal male egos from the realization that women can do things.

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  8. Great post, Ben.

    I’m a fellow Taylor grad (’04), and I read Piper’s Desiring God for one of my Christian Ed classes. Honestly, I don’t remember much from the book besides the term “Christian hedonism.” I wonder now, if I read the book again, how much of it would make me grit my teeth.


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